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I'm consumed by the notion that nondual understanding is obscured by the superstitious ideas gurus attempt to qualify themselves with. It's one thing to speak from an experiential understanding, it's entirely another to allow yourself to be projected as some kind of magic king or queen. Many of the larger satsangs are sustained by the desire of people to be in the presence of divinity. Gurus use the idea of their enlightenment to support the idea of their divinity. This degrades the nondual truth we all share and only serves to create occluding concepts where clarity is desired.

Let these forums be a place for spirited discussion and disclosure in an atmosphere of moderate toleration. Attack the ideas, not their holder, and I'm sure we'll all have a good time.

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Happyd, 'This mantra is never to be discussed to another person, even to another isha devotee. Why not?' It reinforces the secrecy and specialness, as well as keeping the paying punters coming in for their own special mantra and technique. Ex TM-ers find it difficult to disclose their own mantras years after leaving. When enough of them did they found that these 'very special individually…

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Seeker: Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation — happyd, thanks for your response. Of course the Isha people are the same in their personal life - one 7 day course does not a miracle make. And so far, they do seem to realize - for the most part - that they are the same. They think Isha is a good path - but so far they don't seem to think that it is the only way. And a lot of them refuse to give up onions, garlic or caffine. ;) Of course…

Happyd: Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation — Regarding BSP No, they don't drug the food! But if the objective was to get group control, spacey minds and hypnotic persuasion, they wouldn't have to. There are lots of other ways to do that. :) But all in all, if you're curious, I wouldn't say you shouldn't go. I'm the curious type myself and I'm glad for the experience. If anything, just to be able to post on this forum and offer another…

Happyd: Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation — Seeker, You seem to have done your homework. I have no doubt you continue to use your 'logical mind' to interpret your life and situations you find yourself in. You have described an accurate overview of Isha. As you noticed, SJV doesn't say anything new. I completely agree with you, Isha is repackaged pranayams with a price tag. I don't mind paying money to learn something new either. But…

Seeker: Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation — I attended an Inner Enginnering course a while ago, and decided to google for cults. Came upon this very interesting discussion. I have always been wary of yet fascinated by these kinds of programs. I had never really considered that they could be cults in the sense that I don't expect rational people to give up their lives and move into the ashram or communes, living enslaved in a self created…

Happyd: Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation — Ytseekmystic, - I've been researching the mystique of guru-dom for awhile now. Even though the information available can be overwhelming, I find glaringly specific common patterns throughout the different guru and group systems. Eventually, I will post those similarities between the guru groups, starting with the devotee testimonials. One of the many persuasion techniques used by advertisers…

Happyd: Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation — Osho and the ego have been mentioned on unrelated topics. Thought I'd post a few things regarding them both in the same sentence. :) SJV, as well as most gurus, teach surrender (usually to them) and letting go of the ego. Osho taught the same thing. Until a few months before his death. Perhaps it was the drugs talking, but the great enlightened master that has thousands of followers, finally…

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ellen responded to Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation. Happyd, 'This mantra is never to be discussed to another person, even to another isha…
seeker responded to Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation. happyd, thanks for your response. Of course the Isha people are the same in their…
happyd responded to Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation. Regarding BSP No, they don't drug the food! But if the objective was to get group…
happyd responded to Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation. Seeker, You seem to have done your homework. I have no doubt you continue to use your…
seeker responded to Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation. I attended an Inner Enginnering course a while ago, and decided to google for cults. Came…
happyd responded to Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation. Ytseekmystic, - I've been researching the mystique of guru-dom for awhile now. Even…
happyd responded to Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation. Osho and the ego have been mentioned on unrelated topics. Thought I'd post a few things…
happyd responded to Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation. There are some online references that Jaggi had studied under Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and…
ytseekmystic responded to Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation. Ellen ... "I was referring to Mahesh Yogi of T.M. who pioneered the greedy guru business…
ellen responded to Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation. ytseekmystic, 'Maharishi refers to Mahesh Yogi or Ramana Maharishi? ' I was referring…
ytseekmystic responded to Sadhguru and the Isha Foundation. Happyd... In one of your earlier posts, you said, "I've been collecting devotee…

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